{"id":8412,"date":"2020-04-18T09:34:35","date_gmt":"2020-04-18T09:34:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/?p=8412"},"modified":"2020-04-18T09:34:35","modified_gmt":"2020-04-18T09:34:35","slug":"victoria-kleinmotorrad-rahmen-oder-nicht","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/?p=8412","title":{"rendered":"Victoria &#8211; Kleinmotorrad-Rahmen &#8211; oder nicht ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Anfrage aus Tschechien von Pawel S. &#8211; ist dieser Kleinmotorrad-Rahmen von einer 98er Victoria ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090810-2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8445 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090810-2-245x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"245\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090810-2-245x300.jpg 245w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090810-2-122x150.jpg 122w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090810-2.jpg 652w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 245px) 100vw, 245px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8446 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2-300x163.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"163\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2-300x163.jpg 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2-150x82.jpg 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2-768x418.jpg 768w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090838-2.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8447 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090856_001-2-300x185.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"185\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090856_001-2-300x185.jpg 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090856_001-2-150x92.jpg 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090856_001-2-768x473.jpg 768w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/20200405_090856_001-2.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Auf den ersten Blick k\u00f6nnte man den Rahmen einer konfektionierten Victoria vermuten. Wenn da die Vordergabel nicht w\u00e4re mit dem hinteren Feder-Anordnung. Die Rahmen und Schutzbleche sehen ja irgendwie immer \u00e4hnlich aus, wenn aber die typischen Merkmale wie Kettenbl\u00e4tter, Naben usw. fehlen, kann man schwer eine Zuordung treffen.<\/p>\n<p>Also muss man sich an der Vordergabel orientieren. Das folgende Bild aus der Ersatzteilliste zeigt die meist verwendeten Gabeln der Victoria-Kleinmotorr\u00e4der:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Image00521-Kopie.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8451 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Image00521-Kopie-182x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"182\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Image00521-Kopie-182x300.jpg 182w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Image00521-Kopie-91x150.jpg 91w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Image00521-Kopie.jpg 485w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 182px) 100vw, 182px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Die folgenden Bilder zeigen die erste Federgabel.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/60-Victoria-Modell-98-D-1936.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8452 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/60-Victoria-Modell-98-D-1936-267x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"267\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/60-Victoria-Modell-98-D-1936-267x300.jpg 267w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/60-Victoria-Modell-98-D-1936-134x150.jpg 134w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/60-Victoria-Modell-98-D-1936.jpg 713w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 267px) 100vw, 267px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8453 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008-300x170.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"170\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008-150x85.jpg 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008-768x434.jpg 768w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0008.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Die zweite, am meisten verwendete Vordergabel, im n\u00e4chsten Bild am Jubil\u00e4umsmodell von 1936:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8459 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936-300x203.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"203\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936-300x203.jpg 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936-150x102.jpg 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936-768x520.jpg 768w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/62-Victoria-Modell-98-H-1936.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>F\u00fcr die Kleinmotorr\u00e4der hat Victoria auch die einfachen Fahrrad-Gabeln verwendet, wie das Bild zeigt:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8454 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-300x168.jpg 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-1024x575.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-150x84.jpg 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-768x431.jpg 768w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003-1536x863.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200310_0003.jpg 1852w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Auch die sehr ausgefallene kleine &#8222;Tiger-Gabel&#8220; in einer abgespeckten Version wurde eher selten verwendet:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200309_0001.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8455 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200309_0001-187x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"187\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200309_0001-187x300.jpg 187w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200309_0001-94x150.jpg 94w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/IMG_20200309_0001.jpg 615w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 187px) 100vw, 187px\" \/><\/a>Original-Zustand Bj. 1932 im 74er Modell.<\/p>\n<p>Restaurierte Modelle mit der leichten Vordergabel:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/45Victoria-Modell-74H-1932.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8456 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/45Victoria-Modell-74H-1932-270x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"270\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/45Victoria-Modell-74H-1932-270x300.png 270w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/45Victoria-Modell-74H-1932-135x150.png 135w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/45Victoria-Modell-74H-1932.png 719w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 270px) 100vw, 270px\" \/><\/a>Victoria &#8211; Herrenmodell.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/46-Victoria-Modell-74D-1932.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-8457 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/46-Victoria-Modell-74D-1932-255x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"255\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/46-Victoria-Modell-74D-1932-255x300.png 255w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/46-Victoria-Modell-74D-1932-127x150.png 127w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/46-Victoria-Modell-74D-1932.png 679w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 255px) 100vw, 255px\" \/><\/a>Victoria Damenmodell.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Als Res\u00fcmee der Anfrage kann man resultieren, dass man das von Pawel S. angefragte Fahrgestell nicht der Firma Victoria zuordnen kann&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Wenn Betrachter meiner Seite vielleicht eine andere Meinung oder Wissen \u00fcber die Herkunft des unbekannten Fahrgestells haben, w\u00e4ren wir, Pawel und ich nat\u00fcrlich sehr froh \u00fcber die Ausk\u00fcnfte&#8230;<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-8409 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/58-300x14.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"14\" srcset=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/58-300x14.png 300w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/58-150x7.png 150w, https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/58.png 501w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<h4><\/h4>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anfrage aus Tschechien von Pawel S. &#8211; ist dieser Kleinmotorrad-Rahmen von einer 98er Victoria ? Auf den ersten Blick k\u00f6nnte man den Rahmen einer konfektionierten Victoria vermuten. Wenn da die Vordergabel nicht w\u00e4re mit dem hinteren Feder-Anordnung. Die Rahmen und Schutzbleche sehen ja irgendwie immer \u00e4hnlich aus, wenn aber die typischen Merkmale wie Kettenbl\u00e4tter, Naben &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/?p=8412\" class=\"more-link\"><span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Victoria &#8211; Kleinmotorrad-Rahmen &#8211; oder nicht ?<\/span> weiterlesen<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8412","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8412","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=8412"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8412\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8463,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8412\/revisions\/8463"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=8412"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=8412"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/victoria-rad.de\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=8412"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}